Comparing the Two Approaches

Wisdom vs. Wilber: The Emotional Plane, I

In previous posts on this blog I have focused mainly on comparing the Integral model to the Ageless Wisdom model in regards to what is known as the Egoic Lotus, Stages of Discipleship, and Stages of Initiation in the Ageless Wisdom teachings. In this post I am taking a different approach. I am going “down” the model spiritually, instead of “up” the model by looking closer at what is known as the Emotional Plane. 

In the Ageless Wisdom teachings there are seven major planes, which are each broken into seven sub-planes. Each “plane” or level represents a different stage of spiritual growth and development.  In this post I will detail more my understanding of what takes place on the emotional plane and how the Ageless Wisdom view of this fits in with the Integral model.

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Wisdom vs Wilber: Expanding the Levels, II

This post greatly expands the comparison of levels used by the Integral system in order to fit it with the Ageless Wisdom tradition and the levels it uses, which were created nearly 100 years ago. Both additional levels and new colors were added to the Integral (and Spiral Dynamics) systems in order to make this comparison possible.

In the Ageless Wisdom teachings there are 49 levels related to spiritual growth and development. Of these 33 stages are gone through before we reach what might be considered Buddhahood or Christ Consciousness. And there are 21 stages after that for a total of 54! Yet, in the Integral system we have only 12 levels described, making an effort to fit these two systems together a bit daunting. Understanding this, I will continue to attempt in this blog to put these two systems together.

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Wisdom vs. Wilber: Expanding the Levels, I

This post seeks to further expand upon the various levels proposed by Ken Wilber and Spiral Dynamics in light of ideas shared 100 years ago regarding levels of consciousness from the writings of Theosophy. 

Recently I was inspired to revisit some older Theosophical texts I first read over thirty years ago. The ideas there were far more comprehensive then the levels currently proposed by Ken Wilber and Edward Beck (of Spiral Dynamics). Attempting to put the various models together I have once again revised and expanded the chart I have previously featured in this blog.

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Chela on the Thread: Building Continuity

The word Chela on the Thread involves continuity of consciousness. The more the “thread” becomes a “cable” the more accurate the impressions received from the inner realms. But, how do we know this thread is being turned into a cable? How do we know the impressions we are receiving are from the Buddhic plane (Wilber’s Ultraviolet and beyond), or from lower levels? This post attempts to explore some means by which we can make that assessment. 

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Bodies: Wisdom vs. Wilber

In the Integral system we read about 3 to 5 bodies that we each possess from gross to subtle to casual. The terms Integral uses for these bodies are traditionally borrowed from Buddhism, especially Tibetan Buddhism. For those involved in the Ageless Wisdom system it is important to understand what the parallels to these “bodies” might be in regards to the language we use. This blog post is an attempt at that. 

To begin with I would like to share the system used by Integral in regards to the bodies of a human being. I will begin with the 3 level system and then expand it into the 5 level system. As you can see there are three states that every human being is said to move through each and every day regardless of what level of consciousness they “reside in” (or to use Wilber’s terms, what stage they are at).

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Love & Compassion: Accepted Discipleship/Indigo

This post illustrates some ways to induce greater love and compassion in ourselves as a spiritual practice. Learning to do these without sentiment, free from glamours (or delusions), and with great insight and humility is essential both to the stages of Accepted Discipleship in the Ageless Wisdom teachings and Indigo in the Integral teachings.

Before writing this post I took a bit of a break.  I wanted to take time to get even clearer about what I was discovering as the major spiritual tasks that were required to get through the stages of Accepted Discipleship and Chela on the Thread in the Ageless Wisdom teachings and how they paralleled with the stages of Turquoise and Indigo in Integral. As a reminder, let me start by summarizing the main tasks of these stages.  I will also put the charts I have been using up again below.
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Integral Meditation – Wisdom vs. Wilber

In April 2016, Ken Wilber released his new book Integral Meditation, which relates how mindfulness practice needs to be applied developmentally through the various levels he uses. In the audio webinar of this book aired first on April 7th, Wilber claims that these levels have never been revealed before. Well, actually, they have! As this blog shows, they were talked about over 80 years ago through the Ageless Wisdom tradition. This blog shows how Wilber’s new book aligns with these teachings and shows again, where he still needs to catch up.  

In a bold statement, Ken Wilber declares in his April 7th Webinar, that there isn’t just one form of one size fits all mindfulness, there are up to seven or eight different experiences of mindfulness. And, by acknowledging how there are different levels, we see mindfulness meditation changes in very dramatic ways. In a very excited tone he then goes on to declare that not a single meditation system anywhere in the world has any record of his groundbreaking development work.  Unfortunately for Wilber’s excited attitude, that is very far from true. Not only has the Ageless Wisdom teachings had these levels in place for a long time (and much more beyond the eight Wilber is now professing), they have taught different modes of meditation for the various levels and even what may be considered “lines” in Wilber’s system, for a very, very long time as well.

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Types – Rays vs Enneagram

Though the Enneagram was not at first considered a type system, through the works of people like Helen Palmer and especially Don Richard Riso and Russ Hudson, the type aspect has become a very popular psycho-spiritual tool. Less well known than the Enneagram, the Seven Ray Types have similarly a great deal to offer, and this post we compare and contrast the two.

Though there are many type systems, two stand out in terms of their evolutionary application. The nine different Enneagram types evolve through nine different levels. The seven different Ray types, likewise evolve through many levels. Both, have a lot to offer in the way of helping an individual understand their own unique way of becoming more spiritual. And, this helps those who are already aware of to some extent the basics of these two type systems, see what they have in common.

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Chela on the Thread: Continuity of Consciousness – Wisdom vs. Wilber

This post is the last in the series on Six Stages of Discipleship in regards to Stage Four, Chela on the Thread. The post talks about continuity of consciousness, which is the ability to remain aware of who we really are spiritually at all times.

In the Integral model continuity of consciousness might best be explained as remaining continually aware of Suchness, Emptiness, the Void, Nonduality and so forth.  In the Ageless Wisdom teachings one becomes aware of what is known as “the Monad,” which is your essential spiritual essence. The secret is to become consistently aware of both your non-dual nature (the unmanifest) and at the same time deepen your understanding of the dual (the manifest world).  The end result is I AM That I AM, which is both non-dual/dual simultaneously existent in  your consciousness at all times.

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